Comments for The Submerging Influence http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs Facilitating the Submerging Conversation Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:49:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.4 Comment on Spectrum of Beliefs on Evolution, Creation and Literalism by Daniel http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2008/01/14/spectrum-of-beliefs-on-evolution-creation-and-literalism/#comment-1559 Daniel Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:21:19 +0000 http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2008/01/14/spectrum-of-beliefs-on-evolution-creation-and-literalism/#comment-1559 Tim, those that take that literal approach would point to references that talk about the four corners of the earth or the ends of the earth, for example, as well as references to things like the sun standing still as opposed to the earth stopping its rotation or the earth not being moved. Job also talks about taking the earth by the edges and shaking it. Tim, those that take that literal approach would point to references that talk about the four corners of the earth or the ends of the earth, for example, as well as references to things like the sun standing still as opposed to the earth stopping its rotation or the earth not being moved. Job also talks about taking the earth by the edges and shaking it.

]]> Comment on Spectrum of Beliefs on Evolution, Creation and Literalism by Tim http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2008/01/14/spectrum-of-beliefs-on-evolution-creation-and-literalism/#comment-1558 Tim Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:57:39 +0000 http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2008/01/14/spectrum-of-beliefs-on-evolution-creation-and-literalism/#comment-1558 I'm just curious as to how a literal reading of scripture supports a flat earth or the sun moving around a fixed earth. It just talks about creating them, not their shape or movements. I’m just curious as to how a literal reading of scripture supports a flat earth or the sun moving around a fixed earth. It just talks about creating them, not their shape or movements.

]]> Comment on Belief in aliens and Christianity? by Bashir Ahmad http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2008/06/16/belief-in-aliens-and-christianity/#comment-1557 Bashir Ahmad Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:28:47 +0000 http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2008/06/16/belief-in-aliens-and-christianity/#comment-1557 i do not believe in aliens and ufos the are imaginary things created by some foolish coutries like USA and others to one up people and sell there films and kill some people and say that they are killed or escaped by aliens and FBI, CIA and other foolish organizations want to do there terrorist actions i do not believe in aliens and ufos the are imaginary things created by some foolish coutries like USA and others to one up people and sell there films and kill some people and say that they are killed or escaped by aliens and FBI, CIA and other foolish organizations want to do there terrorist actions

]]> Comment on Creationism v. Evolution: the danger of misplaced dogmatism by Glenn Shrom http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2007/09/04/creationism-v-evolution-the-danger-of-misplaced-dogmatism/#comment-1556 Glenn Shrom Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:01:45 +0000 http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2007/09/04/creationism-v-evolution-the-danger-of-misplaced-dogmatism/#comment-1556 I am currently reading "The Age of Everything" by Hedman. I've long ago accepted an old earth, but I'm being challenged by some of the history of man. One key point - the Native Americans, whom I still assume are descendants of Adam and Eve - could have been on the American continents 13,000 years ago. Are they descendants of Adam but not of Noah? Is there no Adam, and God put His Spirit (or a spirit) in a whole group of people at once? Could the Great Flood have been 20,000 years ago? Even using the annual rings in trees, scientists can go back at least 10,000 years in some places. This is an easy science to understand, yet some people still claim the earth is only 6,000 years old. I am very much against the "either/or" with either evolution or creation, and also with either young earth or false Bible. Michael Behe wrote The Edge of Evolution, and many Christians miss that he is pointing out the proof for evolution and how factual it is, when we look at a particular one or two definitions of the word. This is the proof that many scientists stand on, and I think we would do the Gospel a service by constantly pointing out how we believe in this kind of scientific evidence as proof of evolution, celebrate Darwin's theory, etc. Whether or not you want to go into common descent from a single ancestor is another story, but common descent from multiple ancestors is a given. Look at how well evolution explains the diversity among 7 billion human beings who all come from 2, if we believe in Adam and Eve. That is Darwinism in action. Look at how well it explains Noah's taking every kind of animal on the ark, when today we have millions of different animal species. Another fallacy is when people pit Intelligent Design against evolution and against atheism. For more insight into this subject see the book Getting Past the Culture Wars: Regarding Intelligent Design. I am currently reading “The Age of Everything” by Hedman. I’ve long ago accepted an old earth, but I’m being challenged by some of the history of man. One key point - the Native Americans, whom I still assume are descendants of Adam and Eve - could have been on the American continents 13,000 years ago. Are they descendants of Adam but not of Noah? Is there no Adam, and God put His Spirit (or a spirit) in a whole group of people at once? Could the Great Flood have been 20,000 years ago?

Even using the annual rings in trees, scientists can go back at least 10,000 years in some places. This is an easy science to understand, yet some people still claim the earth is only 6,000 years old.

I am very much against the “either/or” with either evolution or creation, and also with either young earth or false Bible. Michael Behe wrote The Edge of Evolution, and many Christians miss that he is pointing out the proof for evolution and how factual it is, when we look at a particular one or two definitions of the word.

This is the proof that many scientists stand on, and I think we would do the Gospel a service by constantly pointing out how we believe in this kind of scientific evidence as proof of evolution, celebrate Darwin’s theory, etc. Whether or not you want to go into common descent from a single ancestor is another story, but common descent from multiple ancestors is a given.

Look at how well evolution explains the diversity among 7 billion human beings who all come from 2, if we believe in Adam and Eve. That is Darwinism in action. Look at how well it explains Noah’s taking every kind of animal on the ark, when today we have millions of different animal species.

Another fallacy is when people pit Intelligent Design against evolution and against atheism. For more insight into this subject see the book Getting Past the Culture Wars: Regarding Intelligent Design.

]]> Comment on Ghost Stories: What do you do with them? by Hillary http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2007/09/16/ghost-stories-what-do-you-do-with-them/#comment-1555 Hillary Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:19:57 +0000 http://submerging.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2007/09/16/ghost-stories-what-do-you-do-with-them/#comment-1555 Honestly, the idea of ghosts scares me to no end. I can admit that anything unknown makes me uncomfortable. In which case I try very hard not to think about anything supernatural. I avoid all ghost tv shows, I refuse to watch scary movies, I won't even talk or think of supernatural things until lately. Throughout my entire night I have been experiencing supernatural phenomena, and that disproves the theory above mentioned that thinking about ghosts will make your imagination procure one. One night on a mission trip I was trying to sleep in a hundred year old monestary turned into a hotel, and I entered the bathroom one time and refused to go back in. I can't describe to you the feeling in that bathroom, but after I refused to go in and everyone else went to sleep I heard a voice begging me to go in the bathroom and open the door, it kept begging me to listen to it. Needless to say I spent the night in prayer. I am sure that this experience was a demonic one, as we were warned before the trip to be aware of spiritual warfare. It seems like all of my experiences have been demonic seeing as the "thing" involved was intelligent and malicious. When I was younger my bed would shake at night from side to side violently, things in my room would move, and once out of sheer annoyance at feeling watched i turned around and looked directly into the corner worst for the disturbances and said "if you are here stop messing with me" and my lights flickered. One early morning I walked through the hallway past my livingroom and in the dark room was the outline of a tall thin person. The outline though was like the blobs you see in your head when you stare at a light for a few minutes and shut it off. like an enormous, person-shaped light blob, my boss who studies all things paranormal and is in love with Sylvia Brown told me I see "death lights". Whatever these occurences were, I am convinced that both demons and ghosts may exist though I avoid thinking about it. Honestly, the idea of ghosts scares me to no end. I can admit that anything unknown makes me uncomfortable. In which case I try very hard not to think about anything supernatural. I avoid all ghost tv shows, I refuse to watch scary movies, I won’t even talk or think of supernatural things until lately. Throughout my entire night I have been experiencing supernatural phenomena, and that disproves the theory above mentioned that thinking about ghosts will make your imagination procure one. One night on a mission trip I was trying to sleep in a hundred year old monestary turned into a hotel, and I entered the bathroom one time and refused to go back in. I can’t describe to you the feeling in that bathroom, but after I refused to go in and everyone else went to sleep I heard a voice begging me to go in the bathroom and open the door, it kept begging me to listen to it. Needless to say I spent the night in prayer. I am sure that this experience was a demonic one, as we were warned before the trip to be aware of spiritual warfare. It seems like all of my experiences have been demonic seeing as the
“thing” involved was intelligent and malicious. When I was younger my bed would shake at night from side to side violently, things in my room would move, and once out of sheer annoyance at feeling watched i turned around and looked directly into the corner worst for the disturbances and said “if you are here stop messing with me” and my lights flickered. One early morning I walked through the hallway past my livingroom and in the dark room was the outline of a tall thin person. The outline though was like the blobs you see in your head when you stare at a light for a few minutes and shut it off. like an enormous, person-shaped light blob, my boss who studies all things paranormal and is in love with Sylvia Brown told me I see “death lights”. Whatever these occurences were, I am convinced that both demons and ghosts may exist though I avoid thinking about it.

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