8 Comments so far

1. Mike Morrell on April 1, 2008 12:36 am

   Are you kidding? That song (and the album it’s from) is amazing. At least, I think so.

2. Bec on April 1, 2008 2:32 am

   Hmmm… Revolution in Hope… that sounds like McClaren is saying that the hope Jesus provides isn’t enough! So basically he is preaching a different gospel (2 Cor 11:4).

   The absence of the words Jesus or Christ is also telling. “I believe in you” is nicely obscure. Who exactly does he believe in?? A God who doesn’t offend anyone? By not mentioning Christ he avoids getting involved in any nasty or “non inclusive” offense of the cross territory.

   Oh and how nicely he stereotypes non-emerging sections of the church. Lovely character assasination.

   And what about the statement “everything must change”? If everything must change, logically even his view that “everything must change” must change, which leaves him with either, “nothing must change” or “somethings must change”. He can’t hold the view that “EVERYTHING” must change and then not change even that view, because by failing to do so he’s disproved his own point. Beyond that clearly there is SOME good in amongst EVERYTHING, so must what is good also change???

3. joanied on April 1, 2008 6:51 am

   Not a particularly “catchy” tune. But hey, Michael, don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Keep on loving Dan Kimball and Scot McKnight and other emerging types.

   One of McLaren’s websites http://deepshift.org/site/ has an interesting name…Deep Shift (just be careful to say it carefully)

   Joanie D.

4. joanied on April 1, 2008 7:03 am

   http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2008/03/brian-mclaren-r.html
   That’s a good interview of Brian McLaren by Andrew Jones.

   Joanie D.

5. Mike Morrell on April 1, 2008 8:31 am

   Wow Bec, talk about a lot of pontification without any firsthand knowledge (beyond the one song you listened to). If you were to listen to the entire album, you’d hear most of the songs specifically engaging Jesus Christ and the gospel, many lifted directly from Scripture or ancient hymns. (And it’s called “Songs for a Revolution of Hope,” as in “hope in the Good of News of Jesus for the whole world.”

   And if you actually read the book, you might find it to be quite different than what you’re thinking.

   I must admit I’m pretty disappointed with my first foray into “Reclaiming.” I thought it was a bit more balanced and nuanced critique.

6. michaelp on April 1, 2008 9:38 am

   Joan, you know that I was kidding. I DON’T like the song though.

7. joanied on April 1, 2008 6:36 pm

   Mike, I checked out your blog and there are very interesting things there. I would have loved to have been in the Bahamas in 2007 with N.T. Wright and others!

   Joanie D.

8. joanied on April 1, 2008 6:47 pm

   To Mike Morrell again: I read on your blog at http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/why-were-not-emergent-an-inviation-to-kevin-ted/#comment-1529 “…at the end of the day, I found more spiritual nourishment and guidance from the Catholic contemplative writers.”

   Yes, me too. I am challenged by the studies going on at the Reclaiming the Mind Ministries (hi, Michael Patton!) and I like learning things I did not know, but at the end of the day, my spiritual nourishment comes in the form of contemplative prayer. I have what I call a lot of “emerging” tendencies. I read Dan Kimball’s book “They Like Jesus But Not the Church” and liked it very much. I have one of Scot McKnight’s books on its way to me. I LOVE N.T. Wright, though some folks find it odd to put him in with the emerging types.

   Joanie D.